Soon afterwards the Buddha gave a teaching and addressed the monks: “I allow you to give the full ordination also by messenger.” They ordained with a monk as messenger. They told the Buddha. “You shouldn’t give the full ordination with a monk as messenger. If you do, you commit an offense of wrong conduct.” They ordained with a trainee nun as messenger … They ordained with a novice monk as messenger … They ordained with a novice nun as messenger … They ordained with an ignorant and incompetent nun as messenger.