“You shouldn’t give the full ordination to someone without a preceptor. If you do, you commit an offense of wrong conduct.” On one occasion the monks gave the full ordination to someone with the Sangha as preceptor. They told the Buddha. “You shouldn’t give the full ordination with the Sangha as preceptor. If you do, you commit an offense of wrong conduct.” On one occasion the monks gave the full ordination to someone with a group as preceptor. They told the Buddha. “You shouldn’t give the full ordination with a group as preceptor. If you do, you commit an offense of wrong conduct.”