What’s your name? What’s the name of your preceptor?’” Soon afterwards they asked those seeking the full ordination about the obstacles without first instructing them. They were embarrassed, humiliated, and unable to respond. They told the Buddha. “You should instruct first and then ask about the obstacles. They instructed them right there in the midst of the Sangha. Once more those seeking the full ordination were embarrassed, humiliated, and unable to respond. They told the Buddha. “You should instruct them at a distance and then ask about the obstacles in the midst of the Sangha.