On one occasion the monks gave the full ordination with a <i lang='pi' translate='no'>paṇḍaka</i> as preceptor … with a fake monk as preceptor … with one who has previously left to join the monastics of another religion as preceptor … with an animal as preceptor … with a matricide as preceptor … with a patricide as preceptor … with a murderer of a perfected one as preceptor … with one who had raped a nun as preceptor … with one who had caused a schism in the Sangha as preceptor … with one who had caused the Buddha to bleed as preceptor …